[Proj] Re: projection of Madagascar

Melita Kennedy mkennedy2 at earthlink.net
Tue Apr 29 20:49:13 EDT 2008

Dear Clovis,

That ArcGIS definition is an approximation; it's not the true Laborde 
implementation and is not guaranteed to give correct answers. 

We do plan to try to implement Laborde in the future, but it just 
hasn't made it to the top of the list yet. 

Melita Kennedy 
ESRI Product Specialist

>Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:27:48 +0300
>From: Clovis <clovis.grinand at ird.fr>
>Subject: [Proj] projection of Madagascar
>To: proj at lists.maptools.org
>Dear list,
>I have been quickly through the archive but didn't find any topic on this.
>I have a projection issue concerning Madagascar.
>Historically there is one dedicated projection called "Laborde", using 
>International 1925 ellipsoïd with others parameters.
> From what i know it has been approximate with an oblique mercator 
>projection and another called hotine oblique mercator.
>Then, I use ArcGIS usually for my application and want slowly to move 
>towards R and QGIS, espacially to transform point coordinates in R 
>(spTransform). The big problem is that none of three have the same 
>projection definition and do display large offset when projecting GPS in 
>WGS84 to "Laborde".
> From the projection definition, you will see below that there is some 
>agreement (lat of origine, scale factor, false easting, false northing, 
>azymuth) but some are completly different : longitude of origine and 
>prime meridian etc.
>As I consider ArcGIS definition and transformation to be the right one 
>(works well!), my question are:
>- Is the EPSG parameters up to date?
>- How can i tune the parameters to obtain the same coordinates that with 
>- Why lonc and not lon_0 ? (lon_0 does not give anything good)
>I hope I m not missing something obvious.
># EPSG 29700 Via R
>[1] " +init=epsg:29700 +proj=omerc +lat_0=-18.9 +lonc=44.10000000000001 
>+alpha=18.9 +k=0.9995000000000001 +x_0=400000 +y_0=800000 +ellps=intl 
>+towgs84=-189,-242,-91,0,0,0,0 +pm=paris +units=m +no_defs"
># EPSG 29700 Via GQIS
>+proj=omerc +lat_0=-18.9 +lonc=41.76277083000001 +alpha=18.9 
>+k=0.9995000000000001 +x_0=400000 +y_0=800000 +ellps=intl 
>+towgs84=-189,-242,-91,0,0,0,0 +pm=paris +units=m +no_defs
># Laborde projection in ArcGIS
>Projection: Hotine_Oblique_Mercator_Azimuth_Center
>False_Easting: 400000,000000
>False_Northing: 800000,000000
>Scale_Factor: 0,999500
>Azimuth: 18,900000
>Longitude_Of_Center: 46,437229
>Latitude_Of_Center: -18,900000
>Name: GCS_Tananarive_1925
>Angular Unit: Degree (0,017453292519943299)
>Prime Meridian: Greenwich (0,000000000000000000)
>Datum: D_Tananarive_1925
>  Spheroid: International_1924
>    Semimajor Axis: 6378388,000000000000000000
>    Semiminor Axis: 6356911,946127946500000000
>    Inverse Flattening: 297,000000000000000000

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