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(1) Any surface differing but little from a sphere, (2) An ellipsoid of =
revolution, (3) A surface derived, by use of a standard formula for the =
Earth's potential, by giving the potential one specific value (Such a =
surface is intended to be an approximation to the geoid), (4) By =
extension, a surface close to the geoid or approximating the geoid. =20

Although sense (2) has been widely used in geodetic literature, modern =
practice is to employ "ellipsoid of revolution" as a specific figure, =
and "spheroid" in sense (1) as a general term.  Many reference =
ellipsoids of older vintage have been called spheroids (e.g., Bessel =
spheroid) and are so listed in this glossary.=E2=80=9D

Noel Zinn, Principal, Hydrometronics LLC
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noel.zinn at hydrometronics.com (email)
http://www.hydrometronics.com (website)

From: Michael P Finn=20
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 1:24 PM
To: PROJ.4 and general Projections Discussions=20
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Subject: Re: [Proj] Projection Dev - How to call other projections from =
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Interesting.=20

So where is a threshold (that turns a spheroid into an ellipsoid)? =
Technically all spheroids are ellipsoids, mathematically. (Further, a =
sphere is also an ellipsoid whose semi-major and semi-minor axes are =
identical.)=20

From:  Charles Karney <charles.karney at sri.com> =20
To:  <proj at lists.maptools.org> =20
Date:  10/10/2011 07:34 AM =20
Subject:  Re: [Proj] Projection Dev - How to call other =
projections from        aprojection? =20
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This may be true is cartography.  It's only partly true in geodesy --
some authors make a distinction, e.g.,

W. A. Heiskanen and H. Moritz, Physical Geodesy,
(Freeman, San Fransisco, 1967)

use spheroid to refer to an approximately spherical shape.  (This was,
presumably, its original meaning.)

On 10/09/11 19:43, Noel Zinn (cc) wrote:
> "Spheroid" and "ellipsoid" are synonyms for the same thing in geodesy =
and
> cartography.
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<P style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=3DMsoNormal>From the Geodetic =
Glossary, NGS,=20
NOAA, 1986</P>
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<P style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=3DMsoNormal>=E2=80=9Cspheroid =
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<P style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;</P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=3DMsoNormal>(1) Any surface =
differing but=20
little from a sphere, (2) An ellipsoid of revolution, (3) A surface =
derived, by=20
use of a standard formula for the Earth's potential, by giving the =
potential one=20
specific value (Such a surface is intended to be an approximation to the =
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(4) By extension, a surface close to the geoid or approximating the=20
geoid.<SPAN>&nbsp; </SPAN></P>
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<P style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=3DMsoNormal>Although sense (2) =
has been=20
widely used in geodetic literature, modern practice is to employ =
"ellipsoid of=20
revolution" as a specific figure, and "spheroid" in sense (1) as a =
general=20
term.<SPAN>&nbsp; </SPAN>Many reference ellipsoids of older vintage have =
been=20
called spheroids (e.g., Bessel spheroid) and are so listed in this=20
glossary.=E2=80=9D</P>
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size=3D2 face=3Dsans-serif>Interesting.</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT size=3D2=20
face=3Dsans-serif>So where is a threshold (that turns a spheroid into an =

ellipsoid)? Technically all spheroids are ellipsoids, mathematically. =
(Further,=20
a sphere is also an ellipsoid whose semi-major and semi-minor axes are=20
identical.)</FONT> <BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
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<BR><BR><BR><TT><FONT size=3D2>This may be true is cartography.&nbsp; =
It's only=20
partly true in geodesy --<BR>some authors make a distinction,=20
e.g.,<BR><BR>&nbsp; W. A. Heiskanen and H. Moritz, Physical =
Geodesy,<BR>&nbsp;=20
(Freeman, San Fransisco, 1967)<BR><BR>use spheroid to refer to an =
approximately=20
spherical shape.&nbsp; (This was,<BR>presumably, its original=20
meaning.)<BR><BR><BR>On 10/09/11 19:43, Noel Zinn (cc) wrote:<BR>&gt; =
"Spheroid"=20
and "ellipsoid" are synonyms for the same thing in geodesy and<BR>&gt;=20
cartography.<BR>_______________________________________________<BR>Proj =
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