[Proj] Proj Digest, Vol 113, Issue 8

Clifford J Mugnier cjmce at lsu.edu
Fri Oct 25 13:48:55 EST 2013

The original question in this "thread" was with respect to projection bounds, and specifically UTM:

"Is there a way to find out the bounds of a given projection?
Let’s say I have a given projection (UTM) and have a point (supposedly in the same utm) but I want to find out if that point is within the bounds of the projection."

 I see this has devolved to a discussion on the variation of datum shifts with respect to geographic areas.  The "new" topic needs to recognize datum shifts accomplished with MREs, NTv2, NadCon, 3-parameter rigid-body geocentric shifts and 7-parameter Molodensky and Bursa-Wolf shifts.

Each tool works within its intended design area, but DOES require some basic knowledge of geodesy for proper implementation.  If you're going to teach GIS, you need to first teach the basics of the geodetic foundation of the system.

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It is my experience that defined descriptive bounds tagged to coordinate systems has caused great confusion in GIS circles - especially for "legacy" systems.
NAD_1983_To_WGS_1984_2  for example, tagged for use in the Aleutians still is being used today with modern positional tools (like GPS).
Over the years, ESRI has refined their use of these and we welcome these changes.  See the red text on this page.

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On 2013-10-24 17:57, Richard Greenwood wrote:
> Coordinate systems do not generally have defined bounds although there
> may be laws that govern where a given coordinate system is to be used.
> In theory, you could represent any place on the earth in any coordinate
> system.


How would you represent a point at 52S 170W in ETRS89/LAEA Europe, also
known EPSG:3035? 52S 170W happens to be the antipodal point of the
coordinate system's projection centre.



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