[Proj] Re: Tmerc status with libproj4 and notes
strebe
strebe at aol.com
Tue Jun 17 00:03:22 EDT 2008
"Gerald I. Evenden" <geraldi.evenden at gmail.com> writes:
>For the spherical case the situation of parallel lines meeting at infinity
>seems reasonable and there seems to be mathematical conditions for this
>state. But for the elliptical case there is the currently publically
>unsubstatiated position that the end points are at a finite distance from
>the central meridian of the map (the vertical line through the poles).
Would you please cease this campaign of misinformation? There is no controversy. None. There is no "publicly unsubstantiated position". The fact that you have not personally bothered to check the references or did not understand what you read or have not been able to get your computer to image it does not mean anything with respect to "publicly". All that is nothing but "privately". As I have repeatedly noted on this list, the full mathematics of the ellipsoidal transverse Mercator can be found in
L.P. Lee, 1976. "Conformal Projections Based on Elliptic Functions", Cartographica Monograph #16.
along with (gasp) an illustration of the projection in global extent. There have been several other publications over the years that discuss the global extent of the ellipsoidal transverse Mercator, including:
E.H. Thompson, 1945, as remarked on by Snyder in "Map Projections — A Working Manual", US Geological Survey Professional Paper 1395, p. 48.
L.P. Lee, 1962. "The Transverse Mercator projection of the entire ellipsoid". Empire Survey Review, 16: 208-217. London.
J.P. Snyder, as mentioned above.
Jeff Dozier, 1980. "Improved algorithm for calculation of UTM and geodetic coordinates: NOAA Technical Report NESS 81.
Interested readers can see an equivalent image here:
http://mapthematics.com/Projection%20Images/Cylindrical/Transverse%20Mercator.GIF
Regards,
-- daan Strebe
On Jun 16, 2008, at 7:44:09 PM, "Gerald I. Evenden" <geraldi.evenden at gmail.com> wrote:
From: "Gerald I. Evenden" <geraldi.evenden at gmail.com>
Subject: [Proj] Tmerc status with libproj4 and notes
Date: June 16, 2008 7:44:09 PM PDT
To: "PROJ.4 and general Projections Discussions" <proj at lists.maptools.org>
Things on the libproj4-Transvers Mercator front are still progressing with
another TM version finished today: ktmerc for Kruger. Speed wise this fits
beteen etmerc and ftmerc and seems to give reasonable values out to expected
limits. One problem did arise with ftmerc during testing that involved
problems with the inverse operation. This does not look like serious fixing
problem and a new release of libproj4 should be out later this week.
Speaking of limits, it might be fun to re-explore the extremes of the
Transverse Mercator since we had so much fun with the issue a couple of years
ago. Since then we or at least I have still not seen any code that delivers
finite values for values of, say, 90W-0N. All the versions in libproj4 still
like to deliver stars for this kind of input. Evidence seems permanently
locked in the secret vaults and only available to the special few.
For those who do not know what a global TM maps looks like draw a vertical
line and place three equally space points on that line. The points, from
bottom to top are the south pole, north pole and the south pole again. Now
draw two horizontal lines midway between the three poles: the equator. Note
that these two lines are part of the same thing yet never connect---kinda
sounds like parallel lines that meet at infinity. Now draw three more
horizontal parallel lines through the three pole points. THese lines are
meridians at +-90 longitude. Note that the right end of all five lines
should meet at a point at 90E0N and similarly the left ends at a point 90W0N.
For the spherical case the situation of parallel lines meeting at infinity
seems reasonable and there seems to be mathematical conditions for this
state. But for the elliptical case there is the currently publically
unsubstatiated position that the end points are at a finite distance from the
central meridian of the map (the vertical line through the poles).
This condition is analogous to finite polar extent cylindrical maps like
Millers and flat pole pseudocylindricals. Points at the poles are not points
but a line that borders the top and bottom of the map. In the TM case a
point at 90Ew0N is a line defining the left of right extent of the map.
Regardless of whether there is a singularity at the edge plotting, position
becomes increasingly affected by the precision of the point's coordinates.
It becomes apparent that even if it is possible to extend a TM map to the
extreme edge, limiting the extent of the map in a manner similar to the
standard Mercator is appropriate especially when considering distortion along
the left and right edges.
Pursuing the issue of determining the real value of 90EW0N seems pointless and
only of interest to the diehard cartophile. Global extent TM maps are easily
and adequately handled by the spherical equations and thus leaves elliptical
usage only to largescale mapping and cadastal applications.
--
The whole religious complexion of the modern world is due
to the absence from Jerusalem of a lunatic asylum.
-- Havelock Ellis (1859-1939) British psychologist
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