[Proj] geoid in Kalimantan, Indonesia

Clifford J Mugnier cjmce at lsu.edu
Wed Mar 5 10:50:29 EST 2008

EGM96 is the best worldwide geoid available, but a Promark is a single-frequency receiver and is a poor candidate for the third component.  I would estimate the vertical accuracy at about plus or minus 1 to 2 meters at best.  A dual frequency receiver can get fairly reliable verticals because the two frequencies allow proper modeling of tropospheric effects - an impossibility with only a single frequency receiver.  A short baseline differential technique (less than one kilometer with two simultaneous Promarks) is used for construction work, but certainly not even close to 10 kilometers muchless 30!
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From: proj-bounces at lists.maptools.org on behalf of Frans Buschman
Sent: Wed 05-Mar-08 05:03
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Subject: [Proj] geoid in Kalimantan, Indonesia


In a coastal region in East Kalimantan, Indonesia, we measured with a GPS promark3 system height differences of several water level gauges with respect to the WGS-84 ellipsoide and datum. The stations are about 30 km apart and we think that the precision of the measurements is within 10 cm.

>From the water level gauges we want to see in what direction water should be flowing, so we want the want to derive the height differences with respect to a geoid. For Kalimantan no detailed geoid seems to exist, so I would like to convert measured height differences on the WGS-84 ellipsoide to height differences on a global geoid. Which geoid is best for this purpose and how can I make the conversion? Could you give an estimate of the error you make with this conversion?


Frans Buschman (PhD student)
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