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Wed Feb 3 18:16:50 EST 2010


Thanks again,

Luigi




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<FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> =
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Discussions'<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Proj] Standard projection for =
Mediterranean basin<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>=0A=
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">As a rule of =
thumb choose your standard parallels one sixth of the distance inside =
the North and South boundaries of your area of interest.&nbsp; =
-Noel</SPAN></FONT></P>=0A=
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FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=3DTahoma =
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windowtext; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> proj-bounces at lists.maptools.org =
[mailto:proj-bounces at lists.maptools.org] <B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: =
bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Luigi Ponti<BR><B><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Sunday, February 14, 2010 =
12:44 PM<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> =
geraldi.evenden at gmail.com; PROJ.4 and general Projections =
Discussions<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> =
Re: [Proj] Standard projection for Mediterranean =
basin</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: =
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3Dblack =
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">On 20:59, Gerald I. Evenden =
wrote: </SPAN></FONT></P><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3Dblack =
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">On Saturday 13 February 2010 =
12:28:57 pm Luigi Ponti wrote:</SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT =
face=3D"Courier New" color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
10pt">&nbsp; </SPAN></FONT></PRE>=0A=
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt" =
type=3D"cite"><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3Dblack =
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
10pt">Hello,</SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
10pt">&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I use PROJ.4 via =
GRASS GIS, and I would like to know if anyone is =
aware</SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3Dblack =
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">of a standard projection for =
mapping the whole Mediterranean basin. I</SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT =
face=3D"Courier New" color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
10pt">need to do raster-based statistics on the maps, so I guess what I =
am</SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3Dblack =
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">looking for is an equal area =
projection.</SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
10pt">&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">What I have found =
on the Web is a GIS built by the Joint Research =
Center</SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3Dblack =
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">(JRC <A =
href=3D"http://www.jrc.ec.europa.eu/">http://www.jrc.ec.europa.eu/</A>) =
that used Lambert Azimuthal Equal</SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT =
face=3D"Courier New" color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
10pt">Area (LAEA) for the Mediterranean:</SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT =
face=3D"Courier New" color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
10pt"><A =
href=3D"http://re.jrc.ec.europa.eu/pvgis/info/faq.htm#projection">http://=
re.jrc.ec.europa.eu/pvgis/info/faq.htm#projection</A></SPAN></FONT></PRE>=
<PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT =
face=3D"Courier New" color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
10pt">However, it adopted the same projection center for both Europe and =
the</SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3Dblack =
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Mediterranean</SPAN></FONT> (0 =
=B0E and 48 =B0N). Is this correct?</PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
10pt">&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">There is also a =
workshop report</SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><A =
href=3D"http://www.ec-gis.org/sdi/publist/pdfs/annoni-etal2003eur.pdf">ht=
tp://www.ec-gis.org/sdi/publist/pdfs/annoni-etal2003eur.pdf</A></SPAN></F=
ONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT =
face=3D"Courier New" color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
10pt">that recommended LAEA with projection center 9 =B0E and 53 =B0N to =
be used</SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3Dblack =
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">for statistical mapping in the =
European Union.</SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
10pt">&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Based on this =
background it seems like LAEA would be fine. However, I =
am</SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3Dblack =
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">unsure if there is a standard =
projection center and datum.</SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT =
face=3D"Courier New" color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
10pt">&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Thank you for any =
hints. Kind regards,</SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
10pt">&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
10pt">Luigi</SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
10pt">&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
10pt">_______________________________________________</SPAN></FONT></PRE>=
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Proj mailing =
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tools.org/mailman/listinfo/proj</A></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT =
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10pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></FONT></PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE><FONT =
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10pt">&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Personal opinion: =
because you seem to have your own project needs that has not =
</SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3Dblack =
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">shown a need to match any =
existing projection I would, because of the general =
</SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3Dblack =
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">E-W shape of your region, =
select Albers Equal Area conic. With reasonably =
</SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3Dblack =
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">selected parallels is should =
give you less distortion at the extremities than =
</SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3Dblack =
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">the azimuthal =
projection.</SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&nbsp; =
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3Dblack =
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR>Thank you -- this sounds =
like a very good suggestion.<BR><BR><BR></SPAN></FONT></P><PRE><FONT =
face=3D"Courier New" color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
10pt">&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">A little =
parameter tuning needs to be done.</SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT =
face=3D"Courier New" color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
10pt">&nbsp; </SPAN></FONT></PRE>=0A=
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3Dblack =
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR>Really have no clue on how =
to go about this, but will give it a try. From what you say, I =
understand that it would basically be a matter of finding the right =
standard parallels: is there a rule of thumb for this?<BR><BR>Thanks =
again,<BR><BR>Luigi<BR><BR><BR></SPAN></FONT></P><PRE><FONT =
face=3D"Courier New" color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
10pt">&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I would not be =
prejudiced by projections where the needs to cover the entire =
</SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3Dblack =
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">continent are are the primary =
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